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[split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita
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Stavio sam shemu sa LM3886, da bude princip modificiranog RS jasniji, inače može umesto tog ICja bilo koje diskretno pravljeno pojačalo.

Nikad ne gasim pojačalo na max, kamoli ni na par wati izlazne snage,
ili utišam volumen, ili gasim kad na ulazu nema signala.

OK, ima po "Murfiju" i ta mogučnost, pa ajde da vidimo šta se bi tu moglo napraviti:

-povečamo taj RS otpornik na 82R (barem 2W), 100R ili 120R (barem 1,5W)
izlaz nam radi sa nekim gadnim U_peak od cca 50Vp ili cca 30-35Vrms prema zvučniku 8R0
(nemamo čisti sinus na izlazu, pa nam je trenutna RMS još nešto manja od Up /1,41,

Žurka je pa sve skoro na maximumu...

Hmmm, tu bi dobro došao neki PA, pa da radi neprekidno na 120% celu noč, klipping poželjan...TUMP ŠTAP preko brda i dolina...
Tu RS nebismo uopšte trebali ...:-)

Ali evo, uključen je!

Evo naišao "Murfi", Zdravo, zdravo: i ....Isključi se rele izlaza!

Recimo:
nemamo prisutnosti AC napona sekundara, izlazi još rade iz C_bulk gomile,
neki thermistor dao naredjenje, gasi vruče je,
na izlazu ima neki DC napon, (kako nebi, ima ga non stop u klippingu)
...
Ispao kabal sa pojačala ili zvučnika, ...upppsss ... tu RS otporniku nema spasa ...fuššš, i nema ga više!!!

Preko RS otpornika (82R, 2W) imamo sada skoro 0,4Arms, povratna veza sada tera izlaz prema klipingu,
otpornik počne disipirati sa cca 12 - 15W, a ako je barem 2W izdržače sekund, dve čak bez dima,
(nemislim na pregaranje, nego da se uspije toliko ugrijati da počne paliti farbu na sebi...)
(to sve u taj tren oka!)
a RS rele recimo da kasni karikirano 0,1sec od isključenja releja izlaza, pa se neče uspjeti otpornik ni ugrijati!

Naravno treba pogledati karakteristiku otpornika WP-S Short Pulse Energy Capacity,
koja je za 2W otpornike negdje oko par Joula u trajanju do 100msec, recimo 20W za 0,1sec =2J
šta bi trebao otpornik izdržati bez promene nominalne otpornosti za 5%.

Za takve prigode svakako postavljati taj RS otpornik nešto snažniji
ili paralelovati nekoliko manjih (jeftiniji su i imaju skupa veču površinu hladjenja)

Tu bi stavio modificiranu RS.

Nadam se da sam uspio barem u blizinu odgovoriti ako nisam baš u "Bulleye" - u sridu,
.... i nisi ti uopšte "slijep", nego vidiš baš dobro i sakrivene probleme,
koje neko (tu sam i sam) i ne zamišlja pre nastanka problema samog!
To je vrlo kvalitetna osobina!
Za pohvalu!!!

LP
Dragan
LP
Dragan
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[split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 08-29-2014, 10:52 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 12-20-2014, 10:35 AM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 12-20-2014, 11:04 AM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 12-20-2014, 03:20 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 12-21-2014, 12:44 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 11-11-2015, 11:45 AM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 11-11-2015, 12:13 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 11-11-2015, 02:51 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 11-11-2015, 04:30 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 11-27-2015, 07:53 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 11-29-2015, 06:26 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 01-26-2016, 09:23 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 02-24-2016, 08:12 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 03-30-2016, 06:50 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 03-30-2016, 07:32 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 03-30-2016, 07:51 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 03-30-2016, 08:33 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 03-30-2016, 09:17 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 03-30-2016, 10:34 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 03-31-2016, 07:36 AM
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RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 04-01-2016, 11:40 AM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by nik - 04-01-2016, 02:12 PM
RE: [split] LME49810 + EF Amp -zaštita - by TDA - 04-01-2016, 02:15 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 08-30-2014, 05:24 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 08-30-2014, 08:53 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 08-30-2014, 09:34 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 08-30-2014, 11:17 AM
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RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 08-31-2014, 08:20 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 08-31-2014, 08:46 AM
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RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by buca33 - 08-31-2014, 01:59 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 08-31-2014, 02:01 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Dragan100 - 08-31-2014, 03:48 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 08-31-2014, 04:31 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 08-31-2014, 07:18 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 08-31-2014, 08:11 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by euronymous - 08-31-2014, 08:42 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 08-31-2014, 09:25 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 08-31-2014, 09:31 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by euronymous - 09-01-2014, 05:44 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 09-01-2014, 07:30 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Dragan100 - 09-01-2014, 12:33 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by buca33 - 09-01-2014, 01:52 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Dragan100 - 09-01-2014, 05:16 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 09-01-2014, 06:09 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Dragan100 - 09-01-2014, 06:55 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 09-01-2014, 08:33 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Dragan100 - 09-02-2014, 12:40 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 09-02-2014, 07:29 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Dragan100 - 09-02-2014, 07:41 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 09-02-2014, 08:20 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 09-02-2014, 09:02 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Dragan100 - 09-02-2014, 11:42 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Dragan100 - 09-03-2014, 01:17 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 09-03-2014, 05:20 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 09-03-2014, 06:41 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 09-06-2014, 09:56 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 09-06-2014, 10:29 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Marshall - 09-06-2014, 09:31 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 09-07-2014, 09:03 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 09-07-2014, 09:38 AM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 09-07-2014, 12:28 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 09-07-2014, 01:49 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by Marshall - 09-07-2014, 02:45 PM
RE: LME49810 + EF Amp - by TDA - 09-08-2014, 11:24 PM

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