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Simulator-programi i modeli...
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(04-09-2016, 08:12 PM)vulejov Wrote:
(04-09-2016, 06:32 PM)Dragan100 Wrote: U gornjem postu sam radio simulaciju THD sa 167mV ulazne amplitude @1KHz i sampling startom na 500msec.
Offset izlaza par uV, mirna struja 75mA po izlaznom paru ili 150mA ukupno, opterečenje 8R0

Inače je normalno da poskoči THD prema visokim freq, može skoro i za red veličine!

Sad nisam u stanju da proverim dali je shema baš ista kao iz posta 49, pogledaču detaljnije sutra, ali morala bi biti ista!

Сумњам да симулација може дати реалне резултате.. довољно је померати старт са 5 на 100 и потом 500 и добити потпуно различите резултате.. занимљиво је да се понекад бољи резултати добију са 100 уместо 500..

Слажем се да је нормално да изобличења на високим фреквенцијама порасту 10-20 пута код неких појачала,
треба их избегавати и користити малко модернија решења..

Pokaži na šta misliš?

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Da, sa večanjem startnog vremena simulacije dobivamo i malo bolje rezultate, iako odaberemo Calculate operating point,
to je tada kad sklop u simulaciji počne da radi nekoliko desetaka perioda posve umireno/podjednako, ali to još nije potpuno miran/pravi operating point.

Ako nam PC podnese probati sa starting time od jedne do par sekundi.
Rezultati neče biti toliko bolji, čak se i umire oko neke konačne vrednosti.
 ... pa čak može PC-SW kombinacija zatajiti, imao sam primere da se ispišu na kraju nonsensi...

Kod mene počinju svi procesori u PCju na 100%, ventilatori počinju rasturavati... :-) , pogledajte izmedju simulacije TaskManager / Performance
...ako tako izdrži par minuta elaboracije, ... ! :-)

Simulacija neče nikada dati sasvim realne rezultate, ali sa dobrim spice modelima se tome podosta proibližimo.

Projektiranje u simulacijskom programu je lakše, menjamo sklopove, podsklopove, vrednosti elemenata, izmedju merimo, gledamo parametre i odzive...
Na kraju kad smo sasvim zadovoljni shemom i simulacijskimi rezultatima,
onda počinje crtanje što bolje PCB
(toga u simulaciji nema ako ne predvidimo dodatne kapacitivnosti, induktivnosti ,preslušavanja bliskih vodova,
razna EM zračenja jakostrujnih vodova i njihovi uplivi na neke osetljive (high gain) sklopove  ... itd.)

Kad se sklopi prototip, onda real merenja, utrimovanja... možda čak ispade da pravimo novi design PCBja... i tek tada usporedba real-parametra sa simulacijskimi.
Ako je tada THD 0,0005% a u simulaciji dobili smo 0,000095%, jeste skoro za red veličine različit, ali se barem vidi tendenca vrlo niskog THD

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RE: Simulator-programi i modeli... - by TDA - 08-11-2014, 06:31 PM
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