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ESR metar
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(08-13-2014, 08:42 PM)azecevic Wrote: Bez obzira na poluprovodnike, kako ja mogu da merim otpornost samo jednog otpornika ako su spojeni paralelno/redno. Iskreno me mrzi da gledam na netu o čemu se tu radi, ali to mi prosto ne pije vodu da će da meri samo jednu otpornost ako postoji veza izmedju njih.

I za to ima neki logican odgovor. Zavboravio sam tacno sta je zakljucak (potrazi na ES temu, bogdan.kecman je ucestovao u diskusiji) ali generalno mora da se uracunaju svi ti redni i paralelni otpori.

Mi smo mislili da ti kao In Circuit merni uredjaji imaju neki tezak DSP i matekatiku koja je u stanju da prepozna i izdvoji samo tu jednu komponentu, jok, nema pojma to, oni mere u toj tacki to se se tu sumarno vidi i to je to. Dodatno ova caka sa malim naponom da se ne trigeruju poluprovodnici i nema tu nikakve dodatne specialne nauke.

Teoretski bi mozda moglo da se preko DSP "izdvoji" komponenta sa ostatka plocice analizom kompleksne impedance i to sa nekim sweep-om po frekvenciji gde bi bukvalno onda morao da znas kako se ponasa prakticno svaki milimetar PCB stampe. Malo nagadjam, ali cisto zamisli kako bi u simulatoru skoro idealno (iz ugla simulatora) predstavio jedno parce PCB stampe sa 3-4-5 vezanih komponenti okolo, postavio bi R/L/C za svaki provodnik, isto tako i za neke susedne komponente pa da se tako analizira cela ta ludnica i onda da se tu nadje neki zajednicki faktor sa kojim bi mogao da kazes e ovo ne utice uopste, ovo utice malo i ovo utice mnogo na krajnji rezultat. Mislim, lupam ali defitivno se to tako ne radi jer je isuvise komplikovano.

Apropo toga, ako ste raspolozeni da pravite neku ozbiljnu mernu spravu kao sto @ronovar predlaze, bolje onda se napravi jedna VNA sprava tj Vector Network Analyzer. Ljudi to je zakon od sprave!
Komplikovano jeste, skupo jeste (u home made varijanti 100-200-300E), SW i za kontroler i PC bi morao da se pise ali to vredi svaku ulozenu paru i trud!!!
Ja imam neke koncepte oko toga, imam i vitalne delove sa kojom bi mogao da se sklopi prototip ali ne mogu to sve sam da odradim, treba mi i HW i SW pomoc.
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ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-03-2014, 06:55 PM
RE: ESR metar - by samuki - 08-03-2014, 09:00 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-04-2014, 09:11 AM
RE: ESR metar - by samuki - 08-04-2014, 09:41 AM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-04-2014, 04:39 PM
RE: ESR metar - by samuki - 08-04-2014, 04:42 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-04-2014, 04:59 PM
RE: ESR metar - by samuki - 08-04-2014, 05:17 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-04-2014, 09:09 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-04-2014, 10:30 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-05-2014, 07:57 AM
RE: ESR metar - by saggit - 08-05-2014, 08:18 AM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-05-2014, 09:57 AM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-05-2014, 12:33 PM
RE: ESR metar - by saggit - 08-05-2014, 03:24 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-05-2014, 02:59 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-05-2014, 03:13 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-05-2014, 03:53 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-05-2014, 04:07 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-05-2014, 07:05 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-12-2014, 03:02 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Jevrem - 08-12-2014, 03:18 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-12-2014, 05:46 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Jevrem - 08-12-2014, 08:51 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-12-2014, 09:55 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Jevrem - 08-13-2014, 08:36 AM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-13-2014, 05:02 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-13-2014, 10:09 AM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-13-2014, 05:25 PM
RE: ESR metar - by ronovar - 08-13-2014, 07:25 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-13-2014, 08:23 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-13-2014, 07:32 PM
RE: ESR metar - by azecevic - 08-13-2014, 08:42 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-13-2014, 09:24 PM
RE: ESR metar - by ronovar - 08-13-2014, 10:09 PM
RE: ESR metar - by ronovar - 08-13-2014, 09:06 PM
RE: ESR metar - by azecevic - 08-13-2014, 09:42 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-13-2014, 10:08 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-13-2014, 10:22 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Braca - 08-13-2014, 10:39 PM
RE: ESR metar - by azecevic - 08-13-2014, 10:28 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Macola - 08-13-2014, 11:18 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-13-2014, 11:36 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-16-2014, 01:49 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Jevrem - 08-16-2014, 01:59 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-16-2014, 02:08 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-17-2014, 12:39 AM
RE: ESR metar - by azecevic - 08-17-2014, 12:59 AM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-17-2014, 01:10 AM
RE: ESR metar - by azecevic - 08-17-2014, 01:46 AM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-22-2014, 08:11 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 08-22-2014, 08:57 PM
RE: ESR metar - by ronovar - 08-22-2014, 09:13 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-22-2014, 09:18 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-22-2014, 09:32 PM
RE: ESR metar - by mikikg - 08-22-2014, 09:36 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 08-23-2014, 02:49 PM
RE: ESR metar - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 08-22-2014, 09:39 PM
RE: ESR metar - by ronovar - 08-22-2014, 09:41 PM
RE: ESR metar - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 08-22-2014, 10:52 PM
RE: ESR metar - by acivoj - 08-28-2014, 09:48 AM
RE: ESR metar - by ronovar - 08-28-2014, 10:04 AM
RE: ESR metar - by azecevic - 08-28-2014, 10:19 AM
RE: ESR metar - by acivoj - 08-28-2014, 10:10 AM
RE: ESR metar - by ronovar - 08-28-2014, 12:29 PM
RE: ESR metar - by tesla017 - 10-29-2014, 05:59 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Gosha - 10-29-2014, 08:42 PM
RE: ESR metar - by tesla017 - 10-29-2014, 10:37 PM
RE: ESR metar - by emiSAr - 10-31-2014, 10:22 AM
RE: ESR metar - by tesla017 - 10-31-2014, 11:28 AM
RE: ESR metar - by emiSAr - 10-31-2014, 11:37 AM
RE: ESR metar - by acivoj - 10-31-2014, 01:38 PM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 11-19-2014, 08:27 PM
RE: ESR metar - by HomeMadeAudioProject - 11-19-2014, 08:52 PM
RE: ESR metar - by TDA - 11-19-2014, 09:13 PM
RE: ESR metar - by tesla017 - 11-19-2014, 09:59 PM
RE: ESR metar - by samuki - 11-20-2014, 11:52 AM
RE: ESR metar - by viktor1986 - 11-20-2014, 01:49 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-22-2017, 07:53 PM
RE: ESR metar - by milepa. - 01-22-2017, 09:02 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-22-2017, 09:13 PM
RE: ESR metar - by emiSAr - 01-22-2017, 09:02 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-22-2017, 09:08 PM
RE: ESR metar - by milepa. - 01-22-2017, 09:17 PM
RE: ESR metar - by emiSAr - 01-22-2017, 09:18 PM
RE: ESR metar - by milepa. - 01-22-2017, 09:20 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-22-2017, 09:25 PM
RE: ESR metar - by milepa. - 01-22-2017, 09:33 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-22-2017, 09:40 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-22-2017, 09:47 PM
RE: ESR metar - by emiSAr - 01-22-2017, 09:48 PM
RE: ESR metar - by tesla017 - 01-22-2017, 10:00 PM
RE: ESR metar - by LordZi - 01-22-2017, 10:33 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-23-2017, 08:01 AM
RE: ESR metar - by LordZi - 01-23-2017, 09:33 AM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-23-2017, 10:53 AM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-23-2017, 04:55 PM
RE: ESR metar - by emiSAr - 01-23-2017, 05:41 PM
RE: ESR metar - by branko tod - 01-23-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-23-2017, 08:00 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-23-2017, 08:33 PM
RE: ESR metar - by LordZi - 01-23-2017, 10:09 PM
RE: ESR metar - by emiSAr - 01-23-2017, 10:19 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-24-2017, 08:50 AM
RE: ESR metar - by emiSAr - 01-24-2017, 09:23 AM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-24-2017, 03:59 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-28-2017, 04:31 PM
RE: ESR metar - by LordZi - 01-28-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: ESR metar - by emiSAr - 01-28-2017, 05:24 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-28-2017, 08:12 PM
RE: ESR metar - by tesla017 - 01-28-2017, 08:20 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-28-2017, 08:23 PM
RE: ESR metar - by tesla017 - 01-28-2017, 08:54 PM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-28-2017, 08:58 PM
RE: ESR metar - by LordZi - 01-28-2017, 08:58 PM
RE: ESR metar - by tesla017 - 01-29-2017, 09:46 AM
RE: ESR metar - by LordZi - 01-29-2017, 10:39 AM
RE: ESR metar - by Dragan83 - 01-29-2017, 05:15 PM
RE: ESR metar - by LordZi - 01-29-2017, 06:41 PM

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