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LNA 60dB D100
(01-04-2025, 03:56 PM)Dragan100 Wrote:
(01-04-2025, 02:06 PM)Braca Wrote: Po meni, to bi bilo pravo univerzalno rešenje!

Zbog strujnog šuma, verzija sa BJT nije primenjljiva za merenje THD pomoću elim. filtera jer ovaj poslednji ima relativno veliku izl. impedansu.
JFE2140 se baš lepo nudi za tu primenu - dva uparena JFET-a u SOIC-8 kućištu.
Možda još pogledati i Gronerov izvor konstantne struje, kod njegovog LNA to je najkomplikovaniji sklop.
Ako nedostaje literatura, tu sam da pomognem.

Čini mi se da je to i bila početna varijanta u ovoj temi...

Neče naškoditi da pogledam!
:-)

Zahvaljujem na literaturi, čitao sam je več ranije, ali zagubila mi se u medjuvremenu, pa mi sada došla->dobrodošla!

Taj izvor konstantne struje CCS jeste komplikovan, i to zbog vrlo lošeg PSRR pozitivne strane te predložene topologije/koncepcije.
Kod mog koncepta u prijašnjem postu, koji je delimično sličan konceptu iz aplikacione note TI JFE2140 UltraLowNoise amplifier (koji je zapravo skoro isti koncept kao kod Gronera)
je PSRR pozitivne strane POZITIVAN par +dB, znači čak pojačava smetnje iz napajanja i ne da jih slabi!
To nije neki hendikap, ako je napajanja iz ultra tihe baterijice, naponskog šuma ranga ispod 100pV/√(Hz),
ali su onda pojačane smetnje koje bi se slučajno ugurale u samo napajanje, 
pa treba odraditi i tratman tog "na oko jednostavnog CCSa", 
-što sam i uspjeo, PSRR_POS imam sada oko -50...60dB BW(5Hz....100KHz)
-dok PSRR_NEG nije problematičan uopšte

Drugo što je Groner upotrebio je Synthetis Load ulaznog Rin, tako je sasvim eliminirao uticaj postavljenih Rin i bildovanje ulaznog naponskog šuma tim povodom,
slično smo odradili i kod MM Phono za 47K Rin i tako još dodatno snizili ulazni šum i povečali SNR (neznam gdje je to več, treba nač   :-)  )
dodatno smica i naponski da pravilno biasira ulazne JFETove, slično sam i sam odradio, ali ne kao Synthetis Load, 
to sam dodatno implementirao!
Tako da se ima sada DCservo+SynthetisLoad

Groner je odradio ulaz sa 8XBF862
sada obsolete, originale neznam gdje da se jih dobije sada, ja jih inače imam još ponešto u mom NOS arzenalu,
tako da snjima nečemo projektovati u 2025oj!
Sve JFETove je premerio/uparivao na odgovarajuči Ugs@Id_2mA i upotrebio 8kom onih koji nisu odstupali medjusobno previše iz kesice N-kom

SVE OK, ako se jih ima JFET kesica/jeftini po komadu, što su tada i bili, ranga 0,2$/kom kad si jih uzimao 20+komada

JFE2140 su po 3,9€/kom ili 2,8€/kom@100kom
imamo 2kom u pakungi i uparena na +/-4mV Ugs, što je odlično
ali nečemo jih uparivati medjusobno, a fino bi jih bilo imati punu kesicu, pa da se jih onda potraži 4XJFE2140 uparene, papreno je to, pa nečemo!

Znači nema nam druge nego da uzmemo 4komJFE2140 zaporedne sa trake i "šta je-tu JE!" od medjusobne uparenosti!

Zato zatreba doraditi i ulazni dio, svaki JFET2140 (1par več uparenih) ima svoju cascodu i svoj CCS
onda dva zajedno idu na podešavanje CCSova medjusobno, da imamo podjednake napone poslije cascode
Istih napona cascode sada mogu na opamp.

Shema je skoro završena, par detajla još pa postujem...
LP
Dragan
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LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-02-2024, 06:15 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-17-2024, 10:33 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-17-2024, 09:20 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Majda - 03-21-2024, 09:46 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-23-2024, 04:49 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 12-31-2024, 04:49 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-02-2025, 12:29 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 01-02-2025, 02:56 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-02-2025, 07:07 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-03-2025, 01:05 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-03-2025, 08:46 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-04-2025, 01:13 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-04-2025, 02:06 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-04-2025, 03:56 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-10-2025, 07:47 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-04-2025, 05:05 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-11-2025, 02:33 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-11-2025, 11:04 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-12-2025, 01:45 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-12-2025, 01:48 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-12-2025, 03:33 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-12-2025, 05:35 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-12-2025, 06:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-12-2025, 09:24 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-12-2025, 05:55 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-12-2025, 06:04 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-13-2025, 06:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-14-2025, 09:08 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-15-2025, 07:59 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-16-2025, 06:40 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-17-2025, 11:42 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-17-2025, 03:45 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-18-2025, 02:03 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-19-2025, 09:46 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-19-2025, 02:45 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-23-2025, 12:29 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-23-2025, 12:45 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by mikikg - 01-24-2025, 05:28 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-23-2025, 02:17 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-23-2025, 03:20 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-24-2025, 01:46 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-24-2025, 02:57 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-24-2025, 10:22 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-24-2025, 06:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-25-2025, 01:27 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 01-26-2025, 02:03 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-26-2025, 02:33 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 01-26-2025, 04:17 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 03:29 PM
LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 05:14 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 05:46 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 05:51 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 08:56 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 09:53 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Bocko - 03-05-2024, 08:23 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-06-2024, 08:50 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-07-2024, 06:51 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-07-2024, 08:00 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-07-2024, 12:35 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-07-2024, 08:43 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-07-2024, 11:49 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-07-2024, 01:55 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-07-2024, 11:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-08-2024, 07:31 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 08:50 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 11:08 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 11:46 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 01:42 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 03:32 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 03:58 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 06:15 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 06:23 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 06:37 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 06:51 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 07:18 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 08:13 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 10:56 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 12:36 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 03:12 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 03:27 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 04:08 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 05:05 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 07:36 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 08:48 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 10:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 09:54 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 11:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 09:57 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 10:58 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-10-2024, 11:38 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-10-2024, 11:41 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 11:49 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 03-10-2024, 12:38 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 03:50 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 06:30 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 03-10-2024, 06:34 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 07:06 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 08:51 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 09:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 09:36 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 03-11-2024, 01:24 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-11-2024, 01:26 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 09:17 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 09:56 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 10:52 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 01:06 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 03:40 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 05:34 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 03:43 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 07:22 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 09:04 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 10:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 03:23 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-14-2024, 03:32 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 04:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-14-2024, 06:28 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 07:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 07:37 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-15-2024, 10:07 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-15-2024, 11:11 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-15-2024, 12:14 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-15-2024, 12:20 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 12-20-2024, 04:35 PM
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RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-04-2024, 09:59 PM
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RE: PCB Design Routing - by Khadgar2007 - 03-09-2024, 09:55 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-09-2024, 11:10 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 11:31 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-09-2024, 02:10 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-09-2024, 03:02 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Khadgar2007 - 03-09-2024, 03:05 PM
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RE: PCB Design Routing - by savan - 03-11-2024, 01:22 PM
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RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-11-2024, 04:06 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Dragan100 - 03-11-2024, 05:19 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-11-2024, 05:53 PM
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