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LNA 60dB D100
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(03-07-2024, 11:10 PM)ronovar Wrote: Za velike ulazne kondove koristi wurcer VO1263 pa pogledati dali mozemo implementirati tu ideju u ovaj forumski LNA da izbjegnemo ogromne MKP kondove.

https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threa...er.175044/

#1 post opisuje za VOS i shema je tu.

Imaju taj VOS u mouseru:
https://hr.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vish...EFfw%3D%3D

Ovo je ideja za razmisljanje pa probat u simulatoru da vidimo sto kaze.

Wurcerov LNA je odradjen sa JFET na ulazu, i kao takav ima ranga nekoliko femptoA ulaznog strujnog šuma, pa se može imati visoku ulaznu impedancu,
i time ulazna RC konstanta za DC bloking i f_low biva odradjena sa malim DCbloking kondom (RCin=>1uF*xxM).
Single ended front end sa JFETom ima NFB 1R-1K (za 60dB pojačanja) bez OGROMNOG konda u seriji sa 1R, tako da je pojačalo kao takvo BW od DC...HF.
Wurcer je sa VO1263 odradio zapravo DCservo u tački {R3, C4, LED VO1263} gdje tom vezom oddržava oko 1/2 napona napajanja kao radnu tačku,
putem biasiranja ulaznog JFETa. RC DCservoa je {10M*100nF}

Groner je u svom 400pV LNA (Braca poseduje jedan takav, ako se ne varam) je tu išao sa ideom Synthetis load-a umesto ulaznog Rin,
koji je kao takav sad podeljen i manje "realne" impedancije, pa još DCservo stavljen na njega,
slično smo radili kod MM RIAA i stavljao sam tako nešto i na par preampa, ampa,
gdje je taj Rin umesto na GND postavljen na izlaz DCservoa, kojem je izlaz zapravo Virtual GND->vrlo niske impedancije, smican za potreban DCservo napon.

U prvom postu ove teme sam naglasio: "LowNoiseAmplifier LowImpedance LNA za potrebe merenja nisko-impedantnih izvora niskog naponskog šuma."
I tu sam išao BJTjima znatno višeg ulaznog strujnog šuma, pogotovo sa više paralelnih ulaznih modula, 
tu smo ranga x1000...10000 višem strujnom šumu kao kod JFETova,

išao sam sa konzervativnih 5Hz f_low reza cijelog sklopa, f_low DCbloking imamo na >2Hz
tako da ulazni DCbloking f_low sa ulaznom impedancijom ranga 300R, skupa sa Dcservo loop-om koji ima RC od oko <1Hz, kao Synthetis load Rin,
tvore HI-pass filter II.reda (-40dB/dec)
Tražio sam zvezni rez f_low_TOT ala` Butterworth i dobio Cin od 120...121uF, kako se nebi imalo peaking-a na freq samog reza f_low 

Za Cin treba stvarno kvalitetan(ih) kond/kondova PET Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET)
3x 33uF
1x 22uF

ili ići sa 2x 68uF sa skoro neosetnog malog peakinga 

-te su skupi (tot nekih 20...30€)
-te su ogromnih gaberita (svaki nekih 40x20x35mm okvirno)
-te su kao takvi odlične antene, pa treba taj Cin i dodatno RF oklopiti
LP
Dragan
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LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-02-2024, 06:15 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-17-2024, 10:33 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-17-2024, 09:20 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Majda - 03-21-2024, 09:46 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-23-2024, 04:49 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 03:29 PM
LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 05:14 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 05:46 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 05:51 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 08:56 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 09:53 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Bocko - 03-05-2024, 08:23 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-06-2024, 08:50 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-07-2024, 06:51 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-07-2024, 08:00 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-07-2024, 12:35 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-07-2024, 08:43 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-07-2024, 11:49 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-07-2024, 01:55 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-07-2024, 11:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-08-2024, 07:31 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 08:50 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 11:08 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 11:46 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 01:42 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 03:32 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 03:58 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 06:15 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 06:23 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 06:37 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 06:51 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 07:18 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 08:13 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 10:56 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 12:36 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 03:12 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 03:27 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 04:08 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 05:05 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 07:36 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 08:48 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 10:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 09:54 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 11:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 09:57 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 10:58 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-10-2024, 11:38 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-10-2024, 11:41 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 11:49 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 03-10-2024, 12:38 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 03:50 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 06:30 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 03-10-2024, 06:34 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 07:06 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 08:51 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 09:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 09:36 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 03-11-2024, 01:24 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-11-2024, 01:26 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 09:17 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 09:56 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 10:52 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 01:06 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 03:40 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 05:34 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 03:43 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 07:22 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 09:04 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 10:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 03:23 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-14-2024, 03:32 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 04:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-14-2024, 06:28 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 07:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 07:37 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-15-2024, 10:07 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-15-2024, 11:11 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-15-2024, 12:14 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-15-2024, 12:20 PM
Memory input stage - by Majda - 03-16-2024, 08:50 AM
RE: Memory input stage - by Dragan100 - 03-18-2024, 10:50 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-04-2024, 09:59 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Vlada021 - 03-05-2024, 01:05 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-05-2024, 08:04 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 11:08 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 11:35 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-09-2024, 09:26 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Khadgar2007 - 03-09-2024, 09:55 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-09-2024, 11:10 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 11:31 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-09-2024, 02:10 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-09-2024, 03:02 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Khadgar2007 - 03-09-2024, 03:05 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-10-2024, 12:47 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-11-2024, 12:28 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by savan - 03-11-2024, 01:22 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-11-2024, 02:30 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-11-2024, 04:06 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Dragan100 - 03-11-2024, 05:19 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-11-2024, 05:53 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-11-2024, 05:57 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-11-2024, 06:37 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-12-2024, 03:21 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-12-2024, 04:17 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-15-2024, 11:19 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-15-2024, 11:51 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by pmiroslav81 - 03-15-2024, 09:25 PM

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