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LNA 60dB D100
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Pobudom posta (odziva na post i narednih postova) otvaram ovu temu 
za forumski LowNoiseAmplifier LowImpedance LNA za potrebe merenja nisko-impedantnih izvora niskog naponskog šuma.
Šum baterija, šum PSUja, šum preampa, ampa, headampa, šum komponenti/freq...itd primera!

Ponavljam da je to ulazno NiskoImpedantni LNA!
-naime nema zanemariv ulazni strujni šum, koji je ranga nekoliko pA/sqrt(Hz)+++/ po jednom ulaznom modulu,
a pogotovo kad se paraleluje više tih "ulaznih modula LNA60dB D100" (1modul, 2, 3, 4+++) to viši je taj ulazni strujni šum!!!,

koji kao takav sa ulaznom impedancijom izvora tvori naponski šum-strujno pobudjen i sumira se sa preostalim ulaznim naponskim šumom,
tako da ovaj NiskoImpedantni LNA zadovoljava za merenja za ulazne impedancija što bliže impedancijama--> 0R, 
što niže impedancije izvora!!!,

a kasnije na višim ulaznim impedancijama/višim impedancijama izvora
več prevladava taj naponski šum-strujno pobudjen skupa sa ulaznom impedancijom!

OK, sve u svemu,
pa ponaša se kao i svaki drugi komercialni (ili NE komercialni) Low Impedance LNA
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Blokovna shema bi bila:

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DCbloking treba napraviti sa kvalitetnim kondenzatorima,
tu imamo barem >100uF/zatreba niski napon
ako zatreba za merenja POS i NEG napajanja, izlaza preampa kojim neznamo polarizaciju u POS ili NEG...itd,
onda zatrebamo kvalitetne Bipolarce, skalameriju FILM kvalitetnih kondova...
!!!Tu zatrebam pomoč koji/e kond/ove da stavimo!!!
-preporuka i link, odličan bi bio i link ka nekom merenju šuma za odabrani kond, seriju!

LNA 60dB D100
-sastoji se od differencialnog para BJTja ZXTN2018, koji su paralelovani dodatnim istim diff.parom
-svaki par ima svoj CCS, oko 3,5...4mA, znači po 1/2 za svaki ulazni BJT
CCS je takodjer radjen sa  ZXTN2018
-REF za CCS je LED RED HLMP6000, biasirana sa nekih 3,5...4mA
-ulazni diff. par je onda sumiran sa kolektorima, njihovo opterečenje je strujno ogledalo
-strujno ogledalo ima i svoj trimmpot, jer nečemo uparivati NIŠTA od elemenata!!!
!!!uzet čemo šta je na lageru, niskih toleranca pasive, aktivu šta dobijamo....!!!
-kolektori idu na ulaze opampa, OPA1611
-NFB je 1R - 1K//1M što daje tačnih 60dB
-NFB je još kompenzovana da se nema HF peakinga
To bi bio jedan LNA 60dB D100 LowNoise&LowInputImpedance 

Simulacijski takvog LNA 60dB D100 dobivam 367pV/sqrt(Hz) ulaznog naponskog šuma,
jasno kratkospojenim ulazem -> impedancija 0R
Na njegovom izlazu iscrta simulacijski 367nV/sqrt(Hz) što je za 1000x viši šum ili za 60dB pojačan!

SUM Inverter je slijedeči sklop,
gdje sumiramo N broj ulaznih modula LNA 60dB D100 (ovih gornjih opisanih)
-svi sumacijski otpori su 5K1, znači od svakog izlaza modula  LNA 60dB D100 ide jedan takav 5K1
-u NFB Summatora idu onda paralelnih Nx 5K1
Zašto Nx?
Zato jer summator sumira N istih izvora, pa mu se za svaki isti izvor, njegov izlaz pojača za 6dB
Zato stavimo Nx 5K1 u samu NFB i održavamo željenih 0dB pojačanja sumatora!
-NFB ima i jedan mali kompenzacijski kond, da se mu malo limitira BW, da neidemo u silne MHz...

DCservo nadgledava SUM Inverter izlaz i popravlja prema ulazu/ima LNAja ulazni DC napon tako,
da izlaz SUM invertera bude što bliže 0,0mVDC Offseta.
Tu dodju do izražaja trimmpotovi u svakom LNA (na mestu strujnog ogledala opterečenja diff.ulaza)
jer nečemo uparivanja elemenata, pa če se nam prikrasti sigurno neki DC Offset nivo na svakom izlazu LNA 60dB D100,
kojeg čemo svakog malo utrimovati, da nam izlaz iz DCservoa ne pobegne previsoko do RAILova napajanja,
probat čemo ga održati oko +/- max 1/2 RAILa

Slijedi HPF višeg reda (II., III., možda IV. reda) koji če dodatno rezati f_low na nekih 5Hz
MultiFeedback sam imao u mislima sa 0dB pojačanja.

Onda se ima OUT1 izlaz koji bi bio sa tim f_low pa sve do koliko može iči WideBand cijeli sklop
Pa i drugi izlaz OUT2 koji bi imao limitiran f_hi sa rezom na 100KHZ višeg reda.

Slijedi sklop po sklop!
:-)


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LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-02-2024, 06:15 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-17-2024, 10:33 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-17-2024, 09:20 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Majda - 03-21-2024, 09:46 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-23-2024, 04:49 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 03:29 PM
LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 05:14 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 05:46 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 05:51 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 08:56 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-04-2024, 09:53 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Bocko - 03-05-2024, 08:23 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-06-2024, 08:50 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-07-2024, 06:51 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-07-2024, 08:00 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-07-2024, 12:35 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-07-2024, 08:43 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-07-2024, 11:49 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-07-2024, 01:55 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-07-2024, 11:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-08-2024, 07:31 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 08:50 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 11:08 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 11:46 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 01:42 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 03:32 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 03:58 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 06:15 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 06:23 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-08-2024, 06:37 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 06:51 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 07:18 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-08-2024, 08:13 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 10:56 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 12:36 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 03:12 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 03:27 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 04:08 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 05:05 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 07:36 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 08:48 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 10:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 09:54 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-09-2024, 11:10 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 09:57 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 10:58 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-10-2024, 11:38 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-10-2024, 11:41 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 11:49 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 03-10-2024, 12:38 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 03:50 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 06:30 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 03-10-2024, 06:34 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 07:06 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 08:51 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-10-2024, 09:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-10-2024, 09:36 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Braca - 03-11-2024, 01:24 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-11-2024, 01:26 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 09:17 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 09:56 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 10:52 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 01:06 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 03:40 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 05:34 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 03:43 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 07:22 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-12-2024, 09:04 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-12-2024, 10:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 03:23 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-14-2024, 03:32 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 04:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Khadgar2007 - 03-14-2024, 06:28 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 07:19 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-14-2024, 07:37 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-15-2024, 10:07 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by Dragan100 - 03-15-2024, 11:11 AM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-15-2024, 12:14 PM
RE: LNA 60dB D100 - by savan - 03-15-2024, 12:20 PM
Memory input stage - by Majda - 03-16-2024, 08:50 AM
RE: Memory input stage - by Dragan100 - 03-18-2024, 10:50 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-04-2024, 09:59 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Vlada021 - 03-05-2024, 01:05 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-05-2024, 08:04 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 11:08 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-08-2024, 11:35 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-09-2024, 09:26 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Khadgar2007 - 03-09-2024, 09:55 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-09-2024, 11:10 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Dragan100 - 03-09-2024, 11:31 AM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-09-2024, 02:10 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-09-2024, 03:02 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Khadgar2007 - 03-09-2024, 03:05 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-10-2024, 12:47 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-11-2024, 12:28 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by savan - 03-11-2024, 01:22 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-11-2024, 02:30 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-11-2024, 04:06 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Dragan100 - 03-11-2024, 05:19 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-11-2024, 05:53 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by ronovar - 03-11-2024, 05:57 PM
RE: PCB Design Routing - by Braca - 03-11-2024, 06:37 PM
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