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Nešto oko in-out kod PIC
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(05-20-2015, 08:51 PM)vojinilic Wrote: Macola,

sve je to OK sto si napisao, ali strujni kapaciteti mojih izlaza su reda 200-300mA. Pri tim strujama ja nemam problem sa grejanjem, nego je ideja samo da sprecim da neki majstor koji povezuje PLC sa relejima napravi kratak spoj i unisti izlazni stepen. Zbog toga samo ja koristim kontinualnu strujnu zastitu. Nikada nisam imao potrebe za vecim izlaznim strujama. To je sve bilo tipa PLC aktivira relej ili neki ulaz frekvencijskog regulatora preko kog zadaje mod rada itd.

Pozz,
Vojce

Ne zameri mi Vojče, posebno zato što se znamo.

Na žalost, termika ni u tom slučaju nije na tvojoj strani.
Ako na primer majstor električar pri povezivanju napravi kratak spoj na špulni releja, i ako ti je kontinualni strujni limit, neka bude na svega 200mA, produkt takvog kratkog spoja je 4.8W na tranzistoru pri 24V napajanja.
To je toplota ekvivalentna toploti koju emituje žar prosečne cigarete.
Neka bude da si paranoično preterao i da si stavio tranzistore u kućištu TO-220.
TO-220 ima tipičan Rth_JA reda 75K/W i ukoliko nema dodatni hladnjak, već pri sobnim temperaturama ambijenta, sa 4.8W discipacije će se tranzistor raspasti za manje od dva minuta i dodatno oko sebe oštetiti popriličnu površinu.
Ukoliko je kućište manje, stvar je još katastrofalnija.


Da bi se zadovoljila donja sigurnosna granica tranzistora u zatvorenoj kutiji PlC, sa kontinualnim CL od 200mA, bilo bi neophodno na svakom tranzistoru upotrebiti minimalno hladnjak A8 iz na primer ovog pdf:

.pdf   hladnjaci_06.pdf (Size: 937,8 KB / Downloads: 20)

Sumnjam da je to urađeno jer bi se tim žrtvovali značajni gabariti čitavog PLC i ujedno bili neophodni otvori za hlađenje.


Sasvim sam siguran da je u konkretnom slučaju izostao test na kontinualan kratak spoj.

Predlažem ti da napraviš takav test i uz žrtvovanje jedne pcb sagledaš posledice događaja, potom modifikuješ zaštitu u neki vid neregenerativne instant zaštite.

Veruj mi da nemam nikakvu nameru da oponiram tvom mišljenju (koje veoma cenim), već iz mene govori 35 godina iskustva u tvoju korist.

Odličan vid zaštite za takve tipove izlaza mogu biti PTC osigurači ovakvog tipa, posebno ako se dobro termički spregnu sa samim tranzistorom:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en...ND/4156228


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Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Macola - 02-28-2015, 03:09 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Želja - 02-28-2015, 09:56 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Macola - 03-01-2015, 09:06 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Želja - 03-01-2015, 09:31 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Želja - 03-01-2015, 09:33 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Macola - 03-01-2015, 10:38 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Želja - 03-01-2015, 10:56 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Macola - 03-01-2015, 11:14 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Želja - 03-01-2015, 11:23 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Khadgar2007 - 03-01-2015, 12:24 PM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Macola - 03-01-2015, 12:50 PM
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RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Macola - 03-02-2015, 03:27 PM
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RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Macola - 03-02-2015, 04:39 PM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Macola - 03-02-2015, 04:51 PM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Želja - 03-02-2015, 08:23 PM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Želja - 03-03-2015, 11:09 AM
RE: Nešto oko in-out kod PIC - by Macola - 03-04-2015, 08:59 AM
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