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Simulator-programi i modeli...
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He he ...pa zato imamo simulatore da ne puštaju dim!!! :-)

@TDA (pa i svi ostali...)

1.Naučen sam da crtam sheme tako da su mi poznate,
naime shema pojačala ima jih puno u opticaju ali su to samo variante "osnovnih" nekoliko 10-20tak...
Tako da jih crtam slično (pa ništa novo ne izmišljam), lakše je sklopove kasnije identificirati, lakše je uočiti greške...
2.Shemu inače crtam od izlaza prema ulazu, ...ma šta da ti lažem, tako je puno jednostavnije!
3.Izmedju je i lakše računati struje potrebne za pobudu sklopova, potrebne polarizacije...
4.Tek na kraju dolaze kompenzacije i utrimovanja, ako naravno nacrtana shema pije vodu!
5.Razvuci si shemu i po visini, nemoj sabijati elemente kada tražiš princip rada!!!

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Pogledajmo malo tu shemu koju si okacijo:

Izlaz:
Nemamo split napajanje pa ti treba DC blok kond na izlazu, OK,
najnižu freq ti odredjuje baš taj izlazni kond, sa 8R0 i 470uF imamo -3dB slabljenja več na cca 45Hz. Zobbel net si stavio - neče smetati!

Darlingtoni sa emitorskom degeneracijom ...OK
-nije OK, N darlington je u redu, dok si P tip okrenuo, ima i tako nešto pojačanja, ali tu nam tako ništa ne pomaže.

Polarizacija izlaza ili U_bias sastavljen je iz (n x dioda) + otpornik,
Pozitivni blok sastavlja ti bootstrap sklop, dok donjega-negativnog VAS transistor,
?kojeg strujnog ponora?,
dali možeš odrediti i onaj dodatni otpornik u polarizaciji
sa tim vrednostima,
koja mirna struja kroz izlazne darlingtone za rad u AB ili možda čistoj B classi...

...sada su tako isprepredanielementi i sa ulaznim pojačalom, da mu nevidiš svrhu, pa i nije sve na pravom mestu.

Pogledaj T1, ...kako uopšte radi, gdje mu je napajanje, koja mu je radna tačka, ...

Povratna veza, kakvo pojačanje imamo?

itd razmišljanja... :-)

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To sa simulatorima je sve OK,
probaš neku shemu, dodaješ, promeniš nešto, gledaš na "priloženim" mernim instrumentima šta se dogadja,
...i tako izmedju i naučiš kako sklopovi rade, ako te to naravno i zanima.

Svidja mi se da si simulator pokrenuo,
teraj dalje,
postavljaj elemente,
meri, analiziraj,
...igranjem je tu i novo znanje!!!

:-) samo hrabro dalje!!!

LP
Dragan

PS:
Simulator
Probajte koju radnu verziju pojačala, precrtajte tačno,
postavite predvidjena napajanja (može baterijsko napajanje iz menuja)
-ERC (proverava dali ste sve spojili, da vam ne visi koji element...
-izmerite DC nodal voltages, ako ima, ponastavite vrednosti trim pota da imate 0V izlaznog offseta,
-pogledajte DC i AC Transfer characteristics, Fourierovu i Noise analizu...
-stavite na ulaz sig.gen sa nekim sinusom od 5KHz, 500mV amplitude,
-merite osciloskopom, ima "sondica za pipanje" po svakom "uglu" (na dnu osciloskopa),
pogledajte šta se dešava po pojačalu, po pojedinačnim sklopovima, ...
gdje ima naponskog pojačanja, obrtanja faza, strujnog pojačanja, lokalnih i globalnog feedbacka...

Pa odaberite neku osnovnu shemu od BORE ili APEXa!
Simulirajte, merite, probajte...ništa ne košta!!!

(08-11-2014, 10:37 PM)samuki Wrote: Tina mi izbacuje gresku : out of memory, kad hocu da otvorim ovaj fajl ?

Task manager, processes, i skini nepotrebnu "buraniju",
i ne brini, ako treba proces sistemu nečete ti pustiti "END TASK"

:-)
LP
Dragan
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