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Simulator-programi i modeli...
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U prijašnjom delu simulacije pojačala dobili smo ove parametre:

Ao Gain   27,63db ili 24,1V/V  =( (Ao(dB)  / 20 ) * 10naX )
BW
(-1dB)   1,4Hz .... 300KHz          (237KHz u prijašnjem postu, izgleda da sam ubacio -0,5dB umesto -1dB)
(-3dB)    <1Hz .... 580KHz
Phase
@20Hz       ....  +2,1°
@20KHZ     ....  -2,7°

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Sad nas zanima kako se ponaša pojačalo u zoni klippinga:

-na ulazu stavljamo sig.gen 1KHz sinus amplitude odaberemo 1V
-odaberemo u Menu/T&M/Oscilloscope

Osciloscop:
-podesimo Volts/div na 20V/div
-podesimo vremensku bazu na 200usec ili 100usec (samo jedna perioda 1KHz)
-RUN

Dobijemo sličnu sliku



Ulaznu amplitudu postepeno višamo: 1,1Vpeak, 1,2Vpeak... dok ne dobivamo na odzivu osciloscopa klippinga.

Sa naponom napajanja +/-42VDC (predpostavljamo da ima PSU dobre strujne resourse - tu je u simulaciji bez strujnih limita)
možemo očekivati naponski klipping izlaza na cca 39,8Vpeak,
klipping je pos i neg fino simetričan,
inače uzmemo nižu vrednost klipping amplitude (može recimo neg prije klippovati)

Max izlazna snaga (do klippinga) @1KHz na 8R0 opterečenju nam je:

P_klipping = (((U_peak) / koren od(2)) na kvadrat ) / 8R0
                = (((39,8Vpeak) / 1,4142) na kvadrat )/ 8
                = 99Wrms / 8R0

Pojačalo možemo deklarirati sa odredjenim faktorom da baš nije to max snaga -klipping
80%, 90%...
Uzečemo 80% gore izračunate snage:

P_max (8R0) = 80Wrms / 8R0

(naponi su Vpeak ili Vpeak-to peak, onda prikazujemo jih kao effectiv ili RMS, onda su i struje slično RMS,
ali snage su avarage ili effective, RMS snaga nema, ali se tako klasificira oko-naokolo, pa čemo i mi... :-)
barem se zna da je na opterečenju RMS napon ili RMS struja
i ne neki PEAK iz kojeg sljedi neka PEAK Power
što nam ništa ne kaže,
to jest nemamo pojma, koliko bi ta ekvivalentna ?PEAK Power? razvila primerljivu termogenu toplotu na nekom poznanom opterečenju!!!   )

Do klippinga imamo još cca 20Wrms,
i to možemo prezentirati (sekundarnog značaja je to) kao:

P_rezerve = 10log (100W/80W) = 0,97 ili cca 1dBW

Tako u simulatoru, inače se sa pravim PSU i pojačalom slično naprave merenja:

-PSU nije nam toliko "TVRD",
pa kleca za koji volt napajanje na max izlaznoj snazi pojačala,
posledično nam je i klipping niži, pa i izračun i podajanje parametra snaga!

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Naponski Klipping nam je sada poznana vrednost, znamo i koliko nam je naše pojačanje Ao,
možemo sada pogledati kolika nam je ulazna osetljivost:

U_Klipping_peak = 39,8Vpeak
Ao = 27,63dB ili 24,1V/V ili i kao 24,1X naponskog pojačanja

Ulazna osetljivost (za max output) = 39,8 / 24,1 = 1,65Vpeak ili 1,17Vrms

Pogledajmo još u simulaciji (prije smo več imali 1,68Vpeak na ulazu)

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End part2
LP
Dragan
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