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ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display
Quote:@Macola...ima jos tu puunoo da ucim..tek sam sada na pocetku..srecom ima vas tu koji znate pa me ispravljate, ima detaljan atmelov datasheet gdje je sve lijepo objasnjeno...malo logike pogledat asm naredbe i to je to...stavio sam u fastavr bas isti kod i file je veci za 12 worda...katastrofa kako je neoptimizirani kod iz bas u asm...ovako vjerujem da ima jos mjesta da se optimizira ali prvo da rjesimo zasto umjesto 1sekunde radi 4sekunde blink led diode..ako pomogne mogu da snimim kako se pali gasi na prototipu pa postavim ovdje da se vidi...mislim da je kod ok...

Na žalost drugar, nikada nisam radio sa AVR, ni na koji način.
Da bih ti pomogao morao bih paralelno sa tobom da sednem i učim asm za AVR seriju :-)
Nazirao sam da je AVR asm dosta fleksibilniji i moćniji od PIC asm, ali kad se čovek uhvati za jedno onda se drži toga kao pijan plota... Stvori gomilu alata i biblioteka i prosto mu dođe žao da sve to baci pa iznova :-)

Seti se tvog otpora, do pre svega par dana, oko napuštanja Basic :-)

Na sreću ima na forumu sjajnih ljudi koji ti već pomažu a radili su sa Atmel MCU i nemoj brinuti jer oni su top klasa ljudi.

Od mene imaš podršku za pravilan red učenja i ako ti treba neki savet oko hardvera nekih periferija, pomoći ću koliko mogu.

Kad savladaš asm od nekog MCU, on je tvoj i Božji, ma šta koristio posle kao jezik za pisanje! Uvek možeš pogledati list fajl i razumeti ako kompajler pravi s**nje (mada se to u novije vreme ekstremno retko događa jer je već nekoliko generacija programera pregazilo tu priču i poispravljalo greščice).
Generalno, ono što se nauči radeći u asm je način za vrlo optimizovanim pisanjem u bilo čemu kasnije.
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Nego, vrlo si mi zanimljiv kao čovek, onaj od retkih, koji ide težim putem potpuno svojevoljno i još se raduje tome.

To je obično znak posedovanja jakih m*da u budućem napretku i radu.

Svom instiktu jako verujem jer sam znao da prepoznam i "iskujem" par desetina učenika, dobrih i kvalitetnih, a nekih i u svetskom kalibru.

Nisam ih ja napravio takvim jer je "testo" od kog su načinjeni bilo vrhunsko, a od toga se lako mesi i vrhunski hleb... Ja sam im samo bio top trener koji je znao da ih gura u krajnju radoznalost i u izbor teže putanje...

Vidi, postoji način da se oslobodiš bilo kakvih zavisnosti od raznih kompajlera i alata za programiranje, uz naravno izbor najtežeg puta na početku, sa kasnijim benefitima kakve ne možeš ni da sanjaš, a kao korisnu posledicu izbora najteže putanje.

Čini mi se da je za takvog čoveka (moj vrlo snažan predosećaj) ovo prava stvar za tebe: http://www.forth.org/

Pogotovo sada kada učiš asm i na samom si početku, gde nisi "iskvario ruku" što bi rekli harmonikaši :-)
To ti je kao kad bi učio sada da voziš u Britaniji, suprotnom stranom, a već godinama voziš ovde.
Može naravno, ali uz jak otpor i jak napor.

Ako bi na primer počeo da učiš baš u Britaniji, onda bi ti ovo ovde bilo malo čudno, a ono normalno...

Forth koristi postfiks konotaciju i ljudima koji su već navikli na uobičajene sisteme programiranja deluje malo "u rikverc" :-)
Ako se na samom početku navikneš na postfiks, to ti za kratko vreme postane normalna stvar i nema nikakvog otpora niti tegoba.

Pazi sad!
Sasvim je očekivana oluja drvlja i kamenja na mene, od strane ljudi koji odlično pišu standardnim jezicima, jer ih upravo malo j*** taj postfiks i misle da to može biti neefikasno, te očekujem da će iz pete braniti standardne sisteme a tražiti mane Forth-u :-)

Na sreću sam živi svedok koliko moćan može biti taj sistem i kako zverski brz na najslaibijim MCU, a tek na jakim...
Forth sistem je rastegljiv od 8 bit MCU i prostih programiranja, preko Spejs šatla, pa do vrhunske obrade slike i slično tome.

Oblast koju pokriva Forth je ova:






Koristi se i ovde na primer:

http://web.archive.org/web/2010102422370....nasa.gov/

Još malo na tu temu:

http://www.forth.org/successes.html

Ima i za to sa čim trenutno radiš:

https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/forth
http://flashforth.com/atmega.html

A vidii neke od jačih čipića za tu priču:
https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/ha...-processor



U MCU se ubacuje Forth sistem za konkretan MCU i od tog momenta ti je unutar MCU interpreter i kros kompajler, a spolja ti treba jedan najprostiji terminal, žično ili bežično ka MCU i to je sve.
Terminalom možeš u letu modifikovati program i pogledati sadržaj MCU do poslednjeg bita u njemu...



Za početak:
https://www.google.rs/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...YEU0Eo0iBJ

https://www.google.rs/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...DMADhV780K

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Sad ili nikad, dok još nisi izabrao kojom stranom voziš, možeš početi lako sa Forth i neće biti nikakvog otpora, a iz Forth je lako se useliti u druge jezike, dok je obrnuto katastrofalno teško.
Oduzeće ti još 30-tak% vremena više, preko tog asm koji već učiš.

Upravo je pravi čas da paralelno učiš Forth i asm. Ta kombinacija je savršenstvo koje nema premca kad se savlada.

Gajim nadu da ćeš makar pregledati ovo što ti predlažem (šta god ti bilo ko rekao u vezi toga), jer instikt me retko vara...
A ti posle proceni da li želiš.


Pozdrav Ronovar,
Macola
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ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by ronovar - 03-29-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Milan94 - 03-29-2018, 08:37 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by ronovar - 03-29-2018, 09:27 PM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Milan94 - 03-30-2018, 03:55 PM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Želja - 03-31-2018, 08:31 AM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by mikikg - 04-01-2018, 09:48 PM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by ronovar - 04-02-2018, 08:39 AM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by gorankg - 04-02-2018, 09:23 AM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by mikikg - 04-02-2018, 10:04 AM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by vojinilic - 04-02-2018, 11:17 AM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by vojinilic - 04-02-2018, 03:42 PM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by mikikg - 04-02-2018, 04:55 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by ronovar - 04-02-2018, 05:05 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by gorankg - 04-02-2018, 07:57 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by ronovar - 04-02-2018, 08:17 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-02-2018, 07:58 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-02-2018, 08:24 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Milan94 - 04-02-2018, 09:11 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-02-2018, 09:40 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by vojinilic - 04-02-2018, 10:21 PM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-02-2018, 10:51 PM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-02-2018, 10:57 PM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-02-2018, 11:15 PM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-02-2018, 11:28 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-02-2018, 11:48 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-02-2018, 11:52 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by vojinilic - 04-02-2018, 11:56 PM
RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-03-2018, 12:03 AM
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RE: ATmega168 7-Segmentni Display - by Macola - 04-03-2018, 10:07 PM
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